2005 6.0 diesel wont stay running - F-Series & SuperDuty Diesel Forums

ADV BUM · 12-09-2011, 05:56 PM

Anyone have any advice?

2005 6.0L stock, died in parking lot of grocery store today. When I go to start it it seems to have a low idle, less than 1000 RPM. Try to put it in gear and it dies. Won't idle for very long either. No codes, or warning lights going off.

I had the EGR, FICM, and oil cooler all replaced less than 10,000 miles ago. Checked the air filter and its not spotless, but its not that dirty. The air filter indicator is still in the good zone. No colored smoke from the exhaust or funky smells from exhaust either. All coolant levels are good and I change the oil every 3000 and fuel filter almost every other oil change.

Am at a lost?

tankerdude · 12-10-2011, 03:30 PM

If it runs smoothly when it DOES run, then it sounds like a cam or crank position sensor is beginning to fail.

BTW, if you're using the truck in a "normal" driving environment (ie not real dusty or not pulling something real heavy most of the time) you could save yourself a little money by letting the oil changes go to 5,000 miles. And those fuel filters aren't cheap either.... I do mine every 10k, Ford says they're good for 15k.

Just be sure and use gen-u-wine Motorcraft filters. Lots of aftermarket filters for the 6.0 are j-u-n-k.

ADV BUM · 12-10-2011, 05:54 PM

Well,

I limped it home late last night. It fired up and ran fine after sitting in the parking lot all night. It was in the teens, temp wise. Like it was just fine.

. I am gonna take it to a local diesel shop and see if they can plug in to it and tell me what is going on.

On a side note, I did take it out during a goose scouting trip and its fairly muddy. Im wondering if I didnt fling some mud into the engine compartment and sludge up some sensors. However, my GF did put several hundred miles on it prior to it dying on her. So again...

Maybe I will change the oil intervals, might put the savings into the bank for future repair bills.

DaveBen · 12-10-2011, 07:00 PM

Sounds like you have not been keeping up the 5000 mile oil/filter changes. Maintenance is KEY to a good diesel. Keep up on all of the maintenance. Good luck finding your problem.

Dave

ADV BUM · 12-11-2011, 12:31 AM

Tankerdude was suggesting that I let my oil changes go from 3000 miles to 5000 miles. I am pretty religious with changing my oil and fuel filters within safe intervals.

Dave thanks...still at a lost at the problem. Monday the shop opens and hopefully will have some answers.

f100cleveland · 12-11-2011, 08:54 AM

You said it was in the teens for temps. If it was low teens and you had a summer blend of fuel or bad fuel you could of been having a gelling problem. Do you run any kind of additive?

ADV BUM · 12-11-2011, 11:52 AM

I don't run any additives in the winter time. I have not run any additives in the truck since I bought it new. We did have a few days were our temps were below zero. If memory serves me we got down to -10 F. Usually the truck sits during the week and is only driven on the weekends. Maybe since it getting up there in mileage (over 100,000) I should consider it? Any suggestions on which additive would be best? And what exactly is "gelling?"

Another question, if the truck starts fine in the am, then after a few short errands doesn't want to run properly, is that a gelling issue or something much worse?

Thanks in advance for any help.

BIG JOE · 12-11-2011, 12:06 PM

A new CPS, oil change to a 5/40 full synthetic, and a dose of Power Service additive (grey jug @ W-mart) with every top off during the winter.

My .03

Joe

DaveBen · 12-11-2011, 01:26 PM

Gelling is when diesel starts to go solid. The paraffin in the fuel turns solid and will not flow. Big Rig truckers have heaters in the tanks to keep the fuel hot. Mine would get to about 100° in my KW dump truck. These trucks won't start when the fuel is gelled. Power Service will stop this, except for extreme climates. Where are you located? North Pole?

Dave

ADV BUM · 12-14-2011, 12:38 AM

Thanks DaveBen for the explanation of gelling. Makes perfect sense now. I had planned on taking the truck to a shop today, but ending up having to shovel the fresh powder. 14" so far with more snow on the way. Great weather for my snowboarding addiction, but without a truck to get me to the lift, I'm stuck shoveling it instead.

12-09-2011, 05:56 PM	#1
ADV BUM SDD Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North of There Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2005 6.0 diesel wont stay running Anyone have any advice? 2005 6.0L stock, died in parking lot of grocery store today. When I go to start it it seems to have a low idle, less than 1000 RPM. Try to put it in gear and it dies. Won't idle for very long either. No codes, or warning lights going off. I had the EGR, FICM, and oil cooler all replaced less than 10,000 miles ago. Checked the air filter and its not spotless, but its not that dirty. The air filter indicator is still in the good zone. No colored smoke from the exhaust or funky smells from exhaust either. All coolant levels are good and I change the oil every 3000 and fuel filter almost every other oil change. Am at a lost?

12-10-2011, 03:30 PM	#2
tankerdude SDD Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 69 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	If it runs smoothly when it DOES run, then it sounds like a cam or crank position sensor is beginning to fail. BTW, if you're using the truck in a "normal" driving environment (ie not real dusty or not pulling something real heavy most of the time) you could save yourself a little money by letting the oil changes go to 5,000 miles. And those fuel filters aren't cheap either.... I do mine every 10k, Ford says they're good for 15k. Just be sure and use gen-u-wine Motorcraft filters. Lots of aftermarket filters for the 6.0 are j-u-n-k. __________________ 2005 F350 King Ranch CC LB 4x4 Firestone Ride-Rite air bags Bilstien shocks EDAS from Powerstrokehelp.com. High Idle Mod Pulling a 2008 Jayco Recon ZX 37U. RV having fun yet?

12-10-2011, 05:54 PM	#3
ADV BUM SDD Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North of There Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, I limped it home late last night. It fired up and ran fine after sitting in the parking lot all night. It was in the teens, temp wise. Like it was just fine.. I am gonna take it to a local diesel shop and see if they can plug in to it and tell me what is going on. On a side note, I did take it out during a goose scouting trip and its fairly muddy. Im wondering if I didnt fling some mud into the engine compartment and sludge up some sensors. However, my GF did put several hundred miles on it prior to it dying on her. So again... Maybe I will change the oil intervals, might put the savings into the bank for future repair bills.

12-10-2011, 07:00 PM	#4
DaveBen SDD Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ukiah, California Posts: 7,869 Thanks: 127 Thanked 506 Times in 489 Posts	Sounds like you have not been keeping up the 5000 mile oil/filter changes. Maintenance is KEY to a good diesel. Keep up on all of the maintenance. Good luck finding your problem. Dave __________________ 2004 F-350 Regular cab with 6.0, Torqshift, 4X4, and just about all of the rest of the options. I added Guages, Satellite Radio, Air Horns, and a coolant filter. Bilstein shocks. Battery Desulphater that really works. Installed Jimmi Jammers. Pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/dbennett48 Completely Stock. I had a Detroit Diesel 8V92TA in a KW dump truck in 1980. That sucker would put out 425 hp but would never out pull a CAT.

12-11-2011, 08:54 AM	#6
f100cleveland When In Doubt,THROTTLE ON Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 630 Thanks: 9 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts View Photos By: f100cleveland	You said it was in the teens for temps. If it was low teens and you had a summer blend of fuel or bad fuel you could of been having a gelling problem. Do you run any kind of additive? __________________ 2006 F-350SD XLT 6.0 auto CC SB 4x4, Chrome kit, Tube step mod, Superlift leveling kit, 35/12.50 pro comp extreme AT, AFE SS 4" turbo back with muffler delete, Volant cold air intake with proguard 7 filter, Edge Insight Monitor, SCT X-3 with DJ's, DP's, and Inovative's custum tunes http://www.supermotors.net/registry/6723

12-11-2011, 12:31 AM	#5
ADV BUM SDD Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North of There Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tankerdude was suggesting that I let my oil changes go from 3000 miles to 5000 miles. I am pretty religious with changing my oil and fuel filters within safe intervals. Dave thanks...still at a lost at the problem. Monday the shop opens and hopefully will have some answers.

12-11-2011, 11:52 AM	#7
ADV BUM SDD Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North of There Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't run any additives in the winter time. I have not run any additives in the truck since I bought it new. We did have a few days were our temps were below zero. If memory serves me we got down to -10 F. Usually the truck sits during the week and is only driven on the weekends. Maybe since it getting up there in mileage (over 100,000) I should consider it? Any suggestions on which additive would be best? And what exactly is "gelling?" Another question, if the truck starts fine in the am, then after a few short errands doesn't want to run properly, is that a gelling issue or something much worse? Thanks in advance for any help.

12-11-2011, 12:06 PM	#8
BIG JOE SDD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: CenCal Posts: 4,377 Thanks: 101 Thanked 392 Times in 381 Posts	A new CPS, oil change to a 5/40 full synthetic, and a dose of Power Service additive (grey jug @ W-mart) with every top off during the winter. My .03 Joe

12-11-2011, 01:26 PM	#9
DaveBen SDD Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ukiah, California Posts: 7,869 Thanks: 127 Thanked 506 Times in 489 Posts	Gelling is when diesel starts to go solid. The paraffin in the fuel turns solid and will not flow. Big Rig truckers have heaters in the tanks to keep the fuel hot. Mine would get to about 100° in my KW dump truck. These trucks won't start when the fuel is gelled. Power Service will stop this, except for extreme climates. Where are you located? North Pole? Dave __________________ 2004 F-350 Regular cab with 6.0, Torqshift, 4X4, and just about all of the rest of the options. I added Guages, Satellite Radio, Air Horns, and a coolant filter. Bilstein shocks. Battery Desulphater that really works. Installed Jimmi Jammers. Pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/dbennett48 Completely Stock. I had a Detroit Diesel 8V92TA in a KW dump truck in 1980. That sucker would put out 425 hp but would never out pull a CAT.

12-14-2011, 12:38 AM	#10
ADV BUM SDD Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North of There Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks DaveBen for the explanation of gelling. Makes perfect sense now. I had planned on taking the truck to a shop today, but ending up having to shovel the fresh powder. 14" so far with more snow on the way. Great weather for my snowboarding addiction, but without a truck to get me to the lift, I'm stuck shoveling it instead.

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