Question Bag it????? - F-Series & SuperDuty Diesel Forums

waynebudke · 01-22-2012, 09:47 PM

The wife and I are considering a 5'er to camp in. We have a 29ft toyhauler now and are looking looking at stepping up to a 32 class 5'er. My 250 should handle it well enough but my neighbors rig, used as a test rig, sags the springs a little bit. Thinking about some helper air bags. Comments? Suggestions? Please send them my way. Bags or helper springs, which would be better

How much weight would I be safe pulling with my 250 in a 5'er. With bags I can increase my payload to 14000.

WD40 · 01-22-2012, 10:35 PM

(How much weight would I be safe pulling with my 250 in a 5'er. With bags I can increase my payload to 14000)
You can't increase your payload by adding anything to your truck, that's set at the factory when the truck is new.
Now to get the truck to ride level I would put the air bags on the truck. Check out this or other links.
Doug
Suspension Air Bags & Air Helper Springs by Firestone, Air Lift & Hellwig

BIG JOE · 01-22-2012, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WD40

(How much weight would I be safe pulling with my 250 in a 5'er. With bags I can increase my payload to 14000)
You can't increase your payload by adding anything to your truck, that's set at the factory when the truck is new.
Now to get the truck to ride level I would put the air bags on the truck. Check out this or other links.
Doug
Suspension Air Bags & Air Helper Springs by Firestone, Air Lift & Hellwig

X2 with what Doug said.

You can Stabilize a F-250 using various methods, but the GCVWR stays the same.

lone_star_dsl · 01-22-2012, 11:55 PM

Like WD40 said, you can't add one pound of extra capacity by installing air bags. Air bags just help to support the load.

What year is your 250? If it's in the 99-02 range, you have a GVWR or 8,800 lbs and a GCWR of 20,000 lbs.

Given that the 250's and SRW 350's are extremely similar, you can get away with a GVWR of 9,900 lbs.

Here are some approximate weights for you to consider:

Truck weight with fuel and passengers - 8,000 lbs
GVWR of fifth wheel - 12,000 lbs

If the GVWR of the fifth wheel is 12,000 lbs or less and your "ready to go" truck weight is 8,000 lbs or less, you will be under the GCWR of your 250.

Tongue weight - Most will say that the tongue weight of a fiver is 15-20% of the GVWR of the trailer. That means a 12k lb fiver will place 1,800-2,400 lbs onto the truck.

Lets split the difference and say 2,100 lbs. With the 250's GVWR being 8,800 lbs, the truck would have to weigh in at no more than 6,700 lbs. Using the SRW 350's rating of 9,900, the truck would have to weigh less than 7,800 lbs.

As you can see, those of us running single rear wheels typically run out of capacity on the truck long before we run out of towing capacity.

I hope that makes sense.

majek5 · 01-23-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by waynebudke

The wife and I are considering a 5'er to camp in. We have a 29ft toyhauler now and are looking looking at stepping up to a 32 class 5'er. My 250 should handle it well enough but my neighbors rig, used as a test rig, sags the springs a little bit. Thinking about some helper air bags. Comments? Suggestions? Please send them my way. Bags or helper springs, which would be better

How much weight would I be safe pulling with my 250 in a 5'er. With bags I can increase my payload to 14000.

I have a leveled F350 and when I hooked to my toy hauler the rear sagged, if it wasn't leveled it would have been fine. I put a set of Firestone bags on it and am very happy with the ride and look of the truck hooked up now. If you add helper springs, when you are unloaded, it will ride like a lumber wagon.

BIG JOE · 01-23-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by majek5

I have a leveled F350 and when I hooked to my toy hauler the rear sagged, if it wasn't leveled it would have been fine. I put a set of Firestone bags on it and am very happy with the ride and look of the truck hooked up now. If you add helper springs, when you are unloaded, it will ride like a lumber wagon.

Sez it All.. right there ?

Dogman · 01-23-2012, 07:52 PM

I looked at putting air ride on my F-350 and the only way it would have worked was running a F-650 air ride system. The cost was crazzy so I did not run with it anymore then that.
Wayne
What year is your truck? I have a extra air bag set up for a f250/350.

waynebudke · 02-03-2012, 06:46 AM

Mine in a 2002 F250 SD, 7.3L, just dropped back to stock height so as I can pull my new 5'er toy hauler we are picking up tomorrow.

waynebudke · 02-03-2012, 06:47 AM

let me know if that bag kit you have will work with mine and maybe we can work a deal

Dogman · 02-03-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by waynebudke

let me know if that bag kit you have will work with mine and maybe we can work a deal

It will, the kit is airlift #57215.
from 1999 to 2005 F250/350.

01-22-2012, 09:47 PM	#1
waynebudke Chris Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bag it????? The wife and I are considering a 5'er to camp in. We have a 29ft toyhauler now and are looking looking at stepping up to a 32 class 5'er. My 250 should handle it well enough but my neighbors rig, used as a test rig, sags the springs a little bit. Thinking about some helper air bags. Comments? Suggestions? Please send them my way. Bags or helper springs, which would be better How much weight would I be safe pulling with my 250 in a 5'er. With bags I can increase my payload to 14000. __________________ 2002 7.3L CC 4x4, 128K, just lowered back to factory Height for pulling a new 5'er (2012 VOLTAGE 3200 ToyHauler). Chipped (6 position), gauged, next up, exhausted. HPOP mod (72.6 lbs) Been There Done That - Catch it, Kill it, cook it, Eat it. PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

01-22-2012, 10:35 PM	#2
WD40 SDD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Benton Arkansas & McAllen Posts: 2,759 Thanks: 57 Thanked 111 Times in 107 Posts View Photos By: WD40	(How much weight would I be safe pulling with my 250 in a 5'er. With bags I can increase my payload to 14000) You can't increase your payload by adding anything to your truck, that's set at the factory when the truck is new. Now to get the truck to ride level I would put the air bags on the truck. Check out this or other links. Doug Suspension Air Bags & Air Helper Springs by Firestone, Air Lift & Hellwig __________________ 2006 Ford F-350 Crew Cab Lariat 4X2 PSD 6.0 TorqShift Automatic Transmission, MAG-HYTEC DIFF COVERS Bama ZooDad If you think the 6.0 is bad.....Get a 6.4 2004 35 ft Hitch Hiker 16589 EW. Doug Is it time to go camping yet?

01-22-2012, 11:55 PM	#4
lone_star_dsl SDD Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Falcon, CO Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Like WD40 said, you can't add one pound of extra capacity by installing air bags. Air bags just help to support the load. What year is your 250? If it's in the 99-02 range, you have a GVWR or 8,800 lbs and a GCWR of 20,000 lbs. Given that the 250's and SRW 350's are extremely similar, you can get away with a GVWR of 9,900 lbs. Here are some approximate weights for you to consider: Truck weight with fuel and passengers - 8,000 lbs GVWR of fifth wheel - 12,000 lbs If the GVWR of the fifth wheel is 12,000 lbs or less and your "ready to go" truck weight is 8,000 lbs or less, you will be under the GCWR of your 250. Tongue weight - Most will say that the tongue weight of a fiver is 15-20% of the GVWR of the trailer. That means a 12k lb fiver will place 1,800-2,400 lbs onto the truck. Lets split the difference and say 2,100 lbs. With the 250's GVWR being 8,800 lbs, the truck would have to weigh in at no more than 6,700 lbs. Using the SRW 350's rating of 9,900, the truck would have to weigh less than 7,800 lbs. As you can see, those of us running single rear wheels typically run out of capacity on the truck long before we run out of towing capacity. I hope that makes sense. __________________ 2002 F-350 SRW Lariat, Crew Cab Long Bed, 4X4 Auto Trans, Tymar Intake Wicked Wheel, Zoodad Mod DP Tuner - 60E, 80E, 40T, 80T, Decel Intercooler Wrap Removal 4" Straight Pipe Exhaust Recon Smoked Cab Lights 05+ Harley Headlights 6" Upper and Lower Windshield Brows ISSPRO Gauges, Edge Insight CTS Acetone Badges 315 Pro Comp AT's 2010 Elite 20' Dovetail Gooseneck GVW 14,000 lbs 2001 Thor Wanderer 24RK Fifth Wheel 180,000 mostly trouble free miles and counting!

01-23-2012, 07:52 PM	#7
Dogman Dogman Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: tampa,FL Posts: 1,337 Thanks: 2 Thanked 104 Times in 90 Posts	I looked at putting air ride on my F-350 and the only way it would have worked was running a F-650 air ride system. The cost was crazzy so I did not run with it anymore then that. Wayne What year is your truck? I have a extra air bag set up for a f250/350. __________________ 2008 F-250 All stock so far...LOL 1999 Jeep TJ play toy on 32" tires custom bumpers by me

02-03-2012, 06:46 AM	#8
waynebudke Chris Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mine in a 2002 F250 SD, 7.3L, just dropped back to stock height so as I can pull my new 5'er toy hauler we are picking up tomorrow. __________________ 2002 7.3L CC 4x4, 128K, just lowered back to factory Height for pulling a new 5'er (2012 VOLTAGE 3200 ToyHauler). Chipped (6 position), gauged, next up, exhausted. HPOP mod (72.6 lbs) Been There Done That - Catch it, Kill it, cook it, Eat it. PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

02-03-2012, 06:47 AM	#9
waynebudke Chris Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	let me know if that bag kit you have will work with mine and maybe we can work a deal __________________ 2002 7.3L CC 4x4, 128K, just lowered back to factory Height for pulling a new 5'er (2012 VOLTAGE 3200 ToyHauler). Chipped (6 position), gauged, next up, exhausted. HPOP mod (72.6 lbs) Been There Done That - Catch it, Kill it, cook it, Eat it. PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

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