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black_cloud_stroker00

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I have been hunting for 5+ years now, not to mention 8 years in the military. So I know my way around a gun. All of that went out the window this weekend.

Sat. I wiffed at a DRAKE wood duck :rant (not to many around here). i was so pissed. I've have been dying to get one of those for years. A drake wood duck is on my list of waterfowl to mount.

And then today (still stewing from the wood duck:rant ) i preceding to miss a couple giant Canada geese. They weren't pass shots either, it was over decoys.

I don't know what happened this weekend. :eek: I cleaned up on the dove and early teal within the last month. And they are a whole last faster and smaller than those honkers.
 

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pat-
feel good that you at least SAW birds this weekend.

did you pattern the gun? with which choke?

did you change choke tubes? the tube could change your point of impact.

PM me your info. i have some stuff on PDF

dp
 

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first thing you need to do is pattern the gun with every choke tube
 

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pat- dont fret it. i think you were too tightly choked. i would go back to cyl if you are getting birds in that close.

the long read- keep in mind that with technology improvements to things like shot cup and buffered shot, you are getting increasing pattern densities.irc, modern loads already pattern at 10-15% btighter than 30 years ago.

if you mic'd your tubes (i did) yo will find that they are off a bit from manufacturing. so what. as long as they shoot straight, it all comes down to the rube goldberg machine that runs between our eyes, brain, arms and fingers anyway.

each step in chokes is about a 10% increase in pattern density figured at 40 yards. (choke meanings between makes is confusing too. like overbored guns like your old mossy or berretta's extrema are already like 5 over everyone else). its better to use the diameter to compare apples.

some math: figuring a 30" shot cone at 40 yards, at 15 yards it would be about 8-10". mod is about 70% density, and at 15 yards with a MOD choke, you will either pulverize the bird if you are 'on' or miss by a mile.

with my sbe2, i have found out to 25-30 yards, i do better with cylinder and kill plenty of tough pheasants and waterfowl. i use imp-cyl after that and use mod only for really long range. i did try a imp-mod an full last year shooting sea ducks (the size of canadians) with 3.5" kent fasteel 3's, but shot so poorly that i went back to mod and smoked them. i am talking at 40-50 yards

i have some scans from a mcintosh book for you on dialing in your stock and fine tuning the point of impact. you pattern the gun at 16 yards. adjustments to the stock via recoil pad shims, or leather strips to the top or sides of the stock are easy due to the geometry. iirc, its 1/16 per inch off center... it will make more sense when you read it. once you get point of impact on, then worry about pattern percentages. some guys hate mcintosh. i think he has the smarts and data to back up his 'science'.

POI and patterning took me a 2-3 hours on a saturday afternoon using 4 wally whirled tablecloths cut in half and a 4' square of plywood. maybe a box of 8's, then a few of my choice 6's, 2's, and BB/TTT to make sure it all worked ok.

i would not be surprised if you pattern a bit high, which is not a bad thing. most of the time many of us miss low and away anyhow. i would leave it alone if it did.

lastly, i would not get hung up on actually counting. its more of a touchy-feely thing. does the pattern look good? if a bird was in the circle, would it be hit with enough pellets?

dennis
 
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Hey black_cloud_stroker00, is that old town gunshop there in Bellevue on the Left side of the main drag as you are going towards the riverboat & bridge?

How bout the one on the Right side of the main drag down closer to the school?

Spent many an hour & many a $$$ in em back in the early/mid 80's :D

Still .50 cents to cross the bridge :D :D :D
 

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I usually use a 28" barrel with a full choke for waterfowl. I know that I can reach out with it to 40+ yds with a good pattern (BB/TTT). When they are in close, I've got to be right on them because of such a tight pattern. I almost got run over by a couple of geese once and thought there was no way I could have missed... until I patterned the gun at 10yds and realized that I might have been better of with a .22. I can't complain about my shooting this weekend, 50% Missed the first deer and shot the second. Nothing to brag about but it is meat in the freezer.

Scott
 

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