Hydrogen generator?

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then you can mount up those crazy baja lights across the bumper without dimming at idle!

that sounds like a good sized unit. im not sure how many plates i will get, i need to cut my sheet of stainless up and see how many i end up with. i was going to run 12x6 plates, should have about 10 of them.
 

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Yeah, I have plans for some more lights to help out the crappy stock ones (well the Euro lights from LMC truck, they are better, but still leave a lot to be desired) :sweet

Yeah, it should be a pretty dang big unit. Hopefully it will fit into my toolbox, if not, it'll go under it. I might go with bigger plates, just havent decided it.
 

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FROM A BIKE FORUM I POST ON:

hey folks... I know this has nothing to do with bikes (yet), but...

We just installed a six-pack HHO (hydrogen/oxygen) generator in my buddy's 1986 Ford F150 truck. I think we've at least doubled the gas mileage. It used to get 10-11mpg, which amounted to about 100 miles per tank (10 US gal). right now, the odo. reads 95 miles, and the gauge is at about 2/3 mark.

The engine also ran cooler (I could put my hand on the intake and a valve cover after 70 miles ride at highway speeds).

I'll let you know for sure once he runs this tank dry, and post some pics as soon as I get a chance to snap some.
 

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any results....huh?

I have a buddy running a 1 cell generator on an 85 chevy k30 dually 4.10 gears. He was getting 9.5 mpg and increased to 16 mpg on a 350 4v. Iwant totry a 6 cell on a 99 7. psd. If I can duplicate his resalts I should get about 25 to 28 mpg's.
 

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i think the gas engines benefit from it more than a diesel would, but it would be sweet if you were able to get 28.
 

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I still say it is all a deception. On the other forum, there is a more detailed discusion, and one VERY interesting fact emerged:

The products require that you modify your lean-ness because they claim that "the added oxygen causes the engine to think it has insufficient fuel," and that it will add more fuel which would decrease efficiency. Therefore, they have you play with the lean-ness of the system (through one variable or another) to make it leaner (starve it for fuel).

Guess what? THAT basic concept has been around as long as the combustion engine has. Run lean and you will get better (much) fuel economy. But it leads to higher EGT's, emissions that are not compliant, and LOW power. But yes, a few MPG is definitely possible just with this technique.

So, if your HHO contraption has you modifying the lean-ness (whether you know it or not), THAT is how you are getting the mileage increases. There is not enough H2 being made via this technique to do jack. Plus, you aren't getting it for free anyway.

As for the manufacturers claim of excess O2, that is wrong also. The O2 provided in the brown gas is EXACTLY what you need to burn the H2 in it. There will be no excess O2 measured in the exhaust (that is where O2 excess is measured). They are BS-ing you guys and you are falling for it.

You could do just as well playing with the lean-ness yourself. Go ahead, read the fine print and understand the contraption you believe is helping. I guarantee it plays with your fuel load somehow. I also guarantee that even though you will see better fuel efficiency (due to leaning it out), you will also see less power and higher EGT's.

But don't believe me, just plow ahead without understanding what is really going on. That's what the administrators at NASA did when the shuttle blew up. They would not believe the engineers and it came back to bite them. Ok, so this won't kill you, but it will waste your time and your money.

Ralph
 

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first of all mr. PHD..... diesel engines are ALWAYS RUNNING LEAN, unless you have a chip and are DUMPING BLACK SMOKE, its running lean. (THANK YOU JAMES FOR THE FINE DISPLAY OF A RICH SITUATION :D)

now, my 7.3 has no means of recognizing a lean or rich mixture, therefore my 7.3 will not be "modifying the lean-ness" on its own accord.

Therefore, they have you play with the lean-ness of the system (through one variable or another) to make it leaner (starve it for fuel).

starve it for fuel???? that, in the diesel world, is known as "shutting it off". if you are cutting back on the fuel input, your engine will start to slow rpms, until there is no longer enough fuel being injected to sustain even an idle, at witch point the engine stops.

I also guarantee that even though you will see better fuel efficiency (due to leaning it out), you will also see less power and higher EGT's.

IN THE DIESEL WORLD.....lean situations dont make higher egts! in fact the leaner mixture is, the cooler it will run! so i guess that problem is solved.
 

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Sorry, you are right about the EGT's, had that wrong. But the lean-ness is a real issue, and if you don't play with your fuel (and trust me on diesels, you can run lean or rich; those injectors shoot and whatever is there burns if it can; shoot less, you burn more fully, shoot more, you see some smoke) you won't see any efficiency change. If you don't do anything to your fuel settings, just hook up the elctric leads to your brown gas generator, you won't get any better fuel efficiency. Anyway, I'm the one saying it can't be done. Why don't you actually go do what you say you are going to do instead on argueing about it???? Huh?
 

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Sorry, you are right about the EGT's, had that wrong. But the lean-ness is a real issue, and if you don't play with your fuel (and trust me on diesels, you can run lean or rich; those injectors shoot and whatever is there burns if it can; shoot less, you burn more fully, shoot more, you see some smoke) you won't see any efficiency change. If you don't do anything to your fuel settings, just hook up the elctric leads to your brown gas generator, you won't get any better fuel efficiency. Anyway, I'm the one saying it can't be done. Why don't you actually go do what you say you are going to do instead on argueing about it???? Huh?

Ok Ralph, you have made your point. Lets let these guys get on with their work. I am very interested in the results.


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