Malls and such are the places to get because they want plowed every inch or so and salted every.5" or so. Like you said, they are bad with delayed pay and such. At the price of fuel if you are runnin diesel equipment you can't compete with 25/hr. I don't know how much you charge per hr., but I know I charge a lot more than 25 per hr. I either low with my truck, skidloader, or both depending on the lot. PennDOT subcontractors always make a killin. What do they care, it OUR tax dollars at work.