Help Needed 2001 HPOP reservoir dry

dmreader

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Back in January, I blew up my HPOP and had to be towed to a shop in a very rural part of Va. They replaced the pump, gouged me for it, and ever since it has had a hard time starting. I took it back to them about a half dozen times with no resolution of the problem. They told me that everything from my glow plugs to my IDM had gone bad. I replaced the glow plugs, UVC harness and valvecover gaskets since there was one plug with poor resistance and they were the originals. The truck has ~170k on it.

I have since given up on trying to get them to help fix the problem. Prior to the pump failure, there were no problems starting the truck in any reasonable outside temperatures.

About a week ago, I took some time off work and started looking into this problem. I pulled off the plastic Powerstroke cover and removed the inspection plug to look into the reservoir. It was completely dry after sitting for just one night.

When I first go to fire up, it cranks like normal, lights, runs for a couple seconds, and then dies. The next 30 seconds to a minute are spent cranking while the reservoir fills up until the truck finally starts. For about another 30 seconds, the idle is rough, but once the air bleeds out, everything is fine.

It is acting like there is enough oil stored in the pump and the high pressure lines to get things to start, so the injector rings will probably be the last thing I change, but at my mileage, I am considering it anyway.

I am convinced that some component that the shop who did the repair touched is to blame for the problem, and I'm guessing it is a pinched, torn or dirty o-ring. My problem is that I don't know where to start and I really don't believe in throwing parts at problems.

Which path would be the most likely route for oil to drain back into the pan? Is there a stand-pipe or a check valve inside the reservoir that can get plugged up? Or is this something easier like an IPR o-ring failure preventing the bypass from being closed?

Thanks in advance for the help!
 

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DMReader
Welcome to SDD! ;tu

I have no idea how to help, but you have provided an excellent summary of the problem and I'm sure that the smart folks here can help you. Be sure to fill out a signature so we know specifics of your rig...

I just had a HPOP failure and wasn't very happy about the dealer attitude regarding torque wrenches & engineering specs...and I still have the leak I took it in for! But anyhow, it seems you have focused in on o-rings.

Good luck, and again, welcome!
 

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I don't know exactly where the back flow prevention is other than in the front cover somewhere. Front cover replacement requires pulling the oil pan which means pulling the engine.

My knowledge comes from the dumb luck of guys with early 7.3 motors swapping to the later SD HPOP because it'll push more oil and in the middle of the OBS trucks the design and moved the backflow prevention from inside the HPOP to the front cover. because after swapping front covers you could run the new HPOP.

Sorry I can't be of more help.
 

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I looked in the service manual and it says to check the HPOP for external leaks and the reservoir if the reservoir drains down overnight. The anti-drain back check valve is in the HPOP reservior according to the description. I would think that since the problem has been present since the pump was replaced, there has to be an issue with the new pump or its installation. The check valve in the reservior may be stuck. I have not had one of these apart, but it doesn't sound to me from reading the manual that you will have to remove the front cover to resolve this.
 

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Thanks for all the help. It looks like I will have some time this weekend to pull things apart and try to solve this problem. Ill post again when I get into get a little deeper into it.
 

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If Your Oil Resevor Is Empty Ck Oil Pressure With A Gauge.if There Is No Oil Pressure.the Low Preesure Oil Pump Is Damaged In The Front Cover.when You Replace The Loe Oil Pressure Pump Make Sure You Pay Close Attention The Pump Can Be Put In Backwards.
 

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Are you saying that I need to read the oil pressure on the Low Pressure side or the high pressure side? Also, is there a port where I can easily hook up a gauge?
 

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Were You Allen Plug Is On Top Of The Oil Resivor Is Were You Put Your Hose For The Gauge.or You Can Just Crank The Engine With The Starter Solinoied Remove The Allen Head Plug & Look Inside With A Flash Ligh To Seeif The Housing Is Filling Up While Cranking The Engine Over & If It Starts Filling Up Then The Low Oil Pressure Pump Is Not Your Problem.if It Does Not Fill Up It Is Your Problem.
 

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