Methanol Injection?

superduty250

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Just wondering if any of you guys have had anything to do methanol injection.If so what were the results?

I Have a 2002 Powerstroke with everything Banks makes, I need just a little bit more (safe) power and I was wondering if methanol is the answer
 

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Propane is the way to go. Meth is not safe, while propane is safer and will deliver more power. I don't run either so I am no expert.

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Actually, the experience I have heard about most with straight methanol injection is BOOM! New window in the block. Especially with your 2002, which has brittle PMR rods on it. What are you doing with your truck that requires more power? That has a lot to do with what a "safe" increase in power might be.

That said, a lot of guys run a 50/50 mix of water and methanol, and it seems to be pretty safe. It is all a matter of cylinder pressures. Injecting a fuel into the intake of a photo-ignition engine can result in HUGE cylinder pressure increases, because volatile fuels, such as propane and methanol, will typically photo-ignite at ratios in the range of 9 to 12 to one. Your diesel goes to about 18. This means that an intake-injected fuel pops when the piston is only about halfway up, which means that the combination of expanding, burning gasses, and the reduction in the area the gasses have to expand (due to the piston moving up in the cylinder) combine to create very high cylinder pressures. The result can be fractured rods, bent rods, popped headgaskets, and other nasty little things.

Two things can mitigate this. First, mix your methanol with water, in any ratio you want, making sure that there is never any more than 50% methanol in the mix to be totally safe. You can go 25/75, 30/70, etc, as long as there is never any more than 50% meth, and you will be good. How does this help? Well, the water quenches the burn to an extent, and helps to prevent the meth from photo-detonating so early, which will reduce CPs. Also, the water acts like a chemcial intercooler, and will help keep your EGTs down. Adding meth will help your EGTs skyrocket, so water helps compensate for this. When you are towing long distances, and don't need power, you can even put in 100% water, and just use it to keep your engine running cool.

Second, reduce the amount of meth you inject. Logically, less fuel means less CP's, and the addition of even a small amount of meth should increase your power by a pretty good margin. The reason for this is because the early detonation of the meth means that your diesel will be injected into a fireball instead of the top of your piston. This means that it burns much more efficiently, giving quite a bit more power, and purportedly more fuel economy, too.

Give us some more info on what Banks stuff you have. Advanced timing also creates higher CPs. If your banks stuff advances timing a whole bunch (which it probably does) then this will compound your CP problem. Your PMR rods just can't take a whole heck of a lot of abuse. You put down 400 HP and they are about ready to implode....
 

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As far as I can tell, propane is no safer than meth. They are both intake injected fuels. Chances are, the reason you see more meth failures is because only the real die-hard power junkies go for the meth, and they just overdo it. Propane can and has blown PMR engines with a suprising regularity.

The important thing with both pane and meth is MODERATION!. A PMR engine just cannot take the unrestrained CPs that an intake-injected fuel can create unless you take it easy and do your homework and be smart about it.
 
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There is a guy at TDS that injected Meth and water into a 7.3 with fatal results. He punched a hole or two in the block in no time. He over did it by his own admission.

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I ran a 50/50 mix of water/meth in my excursion for awhile for EGT reasons and it worked very well. The 50/50 seems to be safe from what I heard.
 

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Hoss....Well said!:sweet

I agree with everyone else....the PMR's are your drawback. They are the reason I removed my nitrous. Personally I think they can hold moderated water/meth injection with proper tuning. If you plan on using it while towing, get a BIG reservoir.
 

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DaveBen said:
There is a guy at TDS that injected Meth and water into a 7.3 with fatal results. He punched a hole or two in the block in no time. He over did it by his own admission.

Dave

Yep, and another guy ran isopropyl and meth and hydrogen peroxide and blew his 7.3 to bits, also. :eek: Sounds like friggin rocket fuel to me!!!

That said, there are also a LOT of PMR engines over on TDS that have popped because of too much propane, too. I don't think H20/Meth is any more dangerous than pane. It is just the way people use the meth.

Like everything else, moderation is the key...
 

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roosterdiesel said:
Personally I think they can hold moderated water/meth injection with proper tuning.
Period...
Nice post, Rooster. Much more concise than mine, and it got the job done.:thumbs
 

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