WVO Blackstone Oil report... Not good

[CPUNeck]

Ok, hope I'm able to post this PDF for you guys to digest. I'm not sure how running a different fuel would have such an effect on my engine oil. I do have to say the last couple times I changed my oil it's consistancey was different, like more "stringy" for lack of a better term. Like molases, but thick as regular oil. Hope it's a simple remedy, like oil isn't hot enough, isn't filtered enough, etc.

Oh well, my pdf is ~40k and my limit is 19k Perhaps someone can let me know how to get it here.

UPDATE: I punted, put it on my webshots, just click on the SVO link and it should be the last pic.

 

[RazzyB]

Ok, hope I'm able to post this PDF for you guys to digest. I'm not sure how running a different fuel would have such an effect on my engine oil. I do have to say the last couple times I changed my oil it's consistancey was different, like more "stringy" for lack of a better term. Like molases, but thick as regular oil. Hope it's a simple remedy, like oil isn't hot enough, isn't filtered enough, etc.

Oh well, my pdf is ~40k and my limit is 19k Perhaps someone can let me know how to get it here.

UPDATE: I punted, put it on my webshots, just click on the SVO link and it should be the last pic.

Clayton, not being familiar with the type of report you are referring to, can you describe what you're looking for in the results? Could it be a statistical anomaly? You're not running cooler with vegisystem...are you? Sorry to hear you so upset over it.

 

[Ford_Forgotton]

I dont understand their comments about changing oils. Do they think your running vegetable oil in your oil pan? DO they not understand you are using it as a fuel? Even with the bypass oil filter, your numbers do seam pretty high.

At what point did you stop running regular diesel fuel? I notice your readings around 10,000 miles ago.

Why isnt your bypass filter catching more stuff?

Your silicon is low, so that means your getting good air filtration.

If your oil isnt hot enough before injection, it causes an incomplete burn. probably creating more carbon than can get washed down past the rings into the crankcase oil.

If you can post some more background on the truck, such as mileage when you converted to veggie, and the last time you changed your bypass filter etc etc.

 

[CPUNeck]

More info, sorry for the length

Ok, more info… The engine was manufactured Sep. 98’ This truck is known as an early 99’. The engine has 170,800mi, most of which was on Mobil 1. I installed the by-pass just prior to the “go-live” WVO conversion. I’ve been running veggie for around 10k miles. Uneventful operation so to speak. The truck runs almost as good as on #2, all the way down to the amount of smoke.

Some observed info on the system. I have temp sensors: in veggie tank, in Vormax Filter head, in manifold atop engine 4” from fuel ports on heads. Knowing these sensors work off change of resistance, I’m not sure how well these units are grounded and have been suspect of their readings. That said, here is how I’ve operated. Start on #2, travel ~5-7 miles (while observing sensor in the Vormax Filter looking for > 125F), switch to veggie, monitor sensor atop engine to ensure temp rises. At 10-15 miles I’ll be on my way to 150F. Under most circumstances I can maintain 150F or more barring cold rain, or just blowing cold. I still have not insulated any of the system. Although today when ambient temps tipped the mid 80’s, I was reading close to 180F have not seen either of those temps here till today. Finally I shutdown on #2 (travel 1 mile/Idle 1-2 minutes) That’s how I’ve arrived here.

Now if you’ve read the report and wondered about the comments, I have no idea why the inference was made about changing from veggie oil to oil. I spoke to Ken on the other poor report (next to last report) and thoroughly explained what was going on. I believe the suggestion is to switch back to #2.

By-pass filter changed along with full flow and 15 quarts oil at 165,700mi. This sample was drawn just prior to the recent full flow and 15 quarts oil (170,000) change.

Brian, you probably read before I got a chance to post my report to webshots. Take a look and you'll see how WELL my engine was wearing prior to conversion .

 

[RazzyB]

Ok, more info… The engine was manufactured Sep. 98’ This truck is known as an early 99’. The engine has 170,800mi, most of which was on Mobil 1. I installed the by-pass just prior to the “go-live” WVO conversion. I’ve been running veggie for around 10k miles. Uneventful operation so to speak. The truck runs almost as good as on #2, all the way down to the amount of smoke.

Some observed info on the system. I have temp sensors: in veggie tank, in Vormax Filter head, in manifold atop engine 4” from fuel ports on heads. Knowing these sensors work off change of resistance, I’m not sure how well these units are grounded and have been suspect of their readings. That said, here is how I’ve operated. Start on #2, travel ~5-7 miles (while observing sensor in the Vormax Filter looking for > 125F), switch to veggie, monitor sensor atop engine to ensure temp rises. At 10-15 miles I’ll be on my way to 150F. Under most circumstances I can maintain 150F or more barring cold rain, or just blowing cold. I still have not insulated any of the system. Although today when ambient temps tipped the mid 80’s, I was reading close to 180F have not seen either of those temps here till today. Finally I shutdown on #2 (travel 1 mile/Idle 1-2 minutes) That’s how I’ve arrived here.

Now if you’ve read the report and wondered about the comments, I have no idea why the inference was made about changing from veggie oil to oil. I spoke to Ken on the other poor report (next to last report) and thoroughly explained what was going on. I believe the suggestion is to switch back to #2.

By-pass filter changed along with full flow and 15 quarts oil at 165,700mi. This sample was drawn just prior to the recent full flow and 15 quarts oil (170,000) change.

Brian, you probably read before I got a chance to post my report to webshots. Take a look and you'll see how WELL my engine was wearing prior to conversion .

Clayton, as discussed at Frybrid, have you determined how to take a compression test? This has got me real worried about WVO...

 

[bluefxstc]

CPUneck

That sucks. I am sorry to hear you are seeing those types of numbers but I am not sure that you can contribute them to SVO. Without more information I can not see how switching fuel could increase bearing wear unless something else is wrong. I can only see two situations where fuel could cause that kind of increase in wear. One, if the fuel was getting past the rings and into the crankcase. This would dilute the oil and decrease the oils lubrication properties. If you were running dyno D the report will pick this up but I am not sure if they will pick up SVO in the oil. They probably do not scan for that considering how experimental it is. Your values of 0.5% may actually be high given the limited amount of dyno you run. To test this out you could switch back to dyno D for a couple of thousand miles and have the oil reanalyzed. The second would be high performance fuel which would significantly increase the pressure in the cylinders and increase engine wear but SVO has a lower energy content than dyno D so I don't think that is the cause.

From what I read in the report it sounds like Blackstone is finding bearing material in the oil. Looking at the report it looks like your iron and lead have both been on the higher end of the universal averages for all of the listed tests. Copper took off 5000 miles ago. Magnesium has been really high the entire period with phosphorus and Zinc being slightly high throughout the displayed period. I am not sure what would cause these to be high. Apart from the two reasons discussed above I do not see how fuel can cause any of this unless it is somehow getting into the crankcase. I wonder if you just have a bad bearing in the motor somewhere. 170K is not a lot for a PSD but for a normal engine it is pretty significant. It might just be that you have a bearing that is wearing out and that the increase wear’s correlation to your switch to SVO is a coincidence. Sorry to hear about your difficulties.

Bluefxstc